Season 2 is here!

In this episode, we start with our weekly mood swings, Morgan’s being Off Campus and the sudden obsession that followed, while Mo’s was hosting Her Seasons and bringing so many women together in a beautiful healing space.

We chat about what it was like finally taking Her Seasons offline, seeing the beauty of hosting an event and creating a space where women could feel seen, loved and valued. We talk about the nerves behind hosting something heart-led, the vulnerability of putting yourself out there and why real life connection feels so important at the moment.

We also talk about Mo navigating her second pregnancy, Morgan starting a new role in a naturopathy clinic and how different phases of life can slowly start colliding together. The past versions of you, the things you’ve outgrown, the things you’re building now and the future you’re trying to move toward.

We spend a lot of time reflecting on motherhood too, particularly how becoming a mum seems to unlock something in so many women. How often after having children, women begin creating, starting businesses, changing direction or opening up entirely new parts of themselves that maybe were always there waiting.

A general catch up on life lately, identity shifts, meaningful work, motherhood, connection and bringing all the different parts of yourself into whatever comes next.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome to Mood Swings with Moen Morgs. Where we chat all things womanhood, motherhood, and everything in between. We're a naturopath and a nurse who love an overshare, swapping insights and the occasional tangent. From hormones to healing and moments of chaos, nothing's off limits here.

SPEAKER_04 0:17

So let's get into it. It's been a while. It has been a while. But we're back in action. Back in action. Ready to go. I even so much so that I even saw an opportunity and I ran with it. I looked at the childcare vacancies and it said one spot available. And I said, Telling me, send him on his way.

SPEAKER_01 0:50

Although I did rock up today and then I missed that. He's welcome. Usually when I come to Mo's house, Lani will be watching a Disney princess show always. Probably 95% of the time it's Moana. Yeah, like literally every single time I've I've walked in or Pocahontas.

SPEAKER_04 1:10

Is that the move? Yeah, he's watched Pocahontas a few times, but I don't know if that's his like princess.

SPEAKER_01 1:17

Yeah, Moana is his top princess. Yeah. I think I have watched that movie now more times than oh anyone.

SPEAKER_04 1:25

I actually am starting to know, you know, when like someone's such a diehard fan of a movie and they end up learning like the whole script. Yeah. Like just through watching it, I know the script now and I know the songs. And so every time they come on, I can't help it. I just find myself like starting to sing the song or starting to say the the words, and then I'm like, Wow, this is this is how I know I've watched this about 15 million times.

SPEAKER_02 1:54

Every time he's like glued to the screen, he's like, Oh my god. But yeah, usually when I walk in the door, his little head turns around and he gets up and he runs over and it puts his hands up wide open, and I'm like, he loves, he loves you.

SPEAKER_04 2:12

Like, there's no doubt about that. It's a mutual obsession. Yeah, I love that. But he is just at that age now where he's such a little tornado, and I say that in the best way possible. He's such a good tornado, but he's just busy. Yeah. And so when we want to come and sit down and have a chat, it's just not it's not ideal.

SPEAKER_03 2:34

Oh my god, you got a new bottle.

SPEAKER_01 2:37

New water bottle because my other one had mold in it. It's not see-through, which is a shame. But no, but it's stainless steel, so you can actually look through the whole.

SPEAKER_04 2:45

I always see the stuff.

SPEAKER_01 2:47

Yeah, exactly. And it's I'm not gonna be naughty this time, and I'm not gonna put electrolytes in my water bottle. I'm not gonna put anything but water in my water bottle. We're still hydrated over here. And it matches my laptop.

SPEAKER_04 2:59

Still hydrated. Oh my god, matching. So Morgan has finally upgraded her laptop. Yes. I think another universal sign um that needed to happen, but we sort of you were putting it off, but then the I think the universe knew that you needed to upgrade.

SPEAKER_01 3:17

Oh yeah. Well, it just stopped working. Gave you a little nudge. It stopped working, and I went to Apple that morning and I was like, Where'd the bail? That was one of the days we I had to bail on the podcast. That was the first bail. That was sad. Where?

SPEAKER_04 3:29

Where?

SPEAKER_01 3:30

I was like, I have no choice. Like I've got one.

SPEAKER_04 3:33

Sweetie, I've got no laptop. I have to go to Apple. And I was like, oh, the day has come.

SPEAKER_01 3:41

This little dinosaur is extinct. And like, look, it doesn't make a really loud sound anymore. No. And the dude was so funny to me because I walked in and I think what happened was my water bottle spilled my bag and it went in the port where you charge it. Right. And I walked into him in like a little bit of a panic, I won't lie. I was like, as soon as they opened, like I needed to get it sorted. And I was like to him, oh my god, like do you have a new laptop for me? Um, I think this one has water damage, and he goes to me, stop talking. And I was like, Oh, that's a bit rude. And but he meant like, if I keep saying that there's water, he literally did that to me, like and he was actually so kind because he knew that if I kept talking, he couldn't give me money for my old laptop because there was water damage.

SPEAKER_04 4:27

Well, do you know what he's mean just like oh my god, I've damaged my laptop? But that's just that just goes to show that you're just so honest to a fault. Yeah, to a fault. You can't you actually can't do a white line a bit of money off. But that's okay. You got there in the end because he shut you up. He literally Okay how much was it? Did you no no no? Did you get a lot off?

SPEAKER_01 5:00

No, no, no. I only got a hundred dollars, which is still Oh, that's fine, which is fine, and it was actually quite good because this is actually me being sneaky. So this laptop was I think twelve hundred dollars, and obviously it will be a tax write-off. And then I couldn't get the a hundred dollars back straight away because I didn't have my ID on me. Yeah. So I had to go all the way back to my car, get my ID and all the way back, and then they refunded me a hundred dollars, but this bad boy was still still twelve hundred. So a free a hundred dollars. You know what I did? Wow, you spent it. I went straight to the shop and bought myself a new blazer because it was free money. Was it free money money, or is that just girl math?

SPEAKER_02 5:40

Nope, that was free, tug free money.

SPEAKER_04 5:44

Okay, we'll we'll roll with that. We'll roll with that. We'll say that that's what it was. Sometimes we have to see you've given yourself a little white lie there.

SPEAKER_01 5:54

Yeah, I know, but I didn't need to tell anyone. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 5:56

So you can white lie to yourself, but you can't do a double.

SPEAKER_01 5:59

Delpheaval, no.

SPEAKER_04 6:00

Fair enough, fair enough. I definitely can white lie.

SPEAKER_01 6:03

Can you?

SPEAKER_04 6:04

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 6:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 6:05

I think most of you can. In um um, I mean it's no secret, I have to out it in nursing here. But in nursing, obviously, there is really sensitive information that us as nurses are very privileged to know. But it is not our it is not our um place to say these things to patients. So if people ask us questions, because they do, they do. Of course they're curious. They're curious, they want to ask us questions, but unfortunately from a legal aspect, um, we have to sort of redirect that conversation or say, you know, oh, I don't know anything at the moment, but as soon as the doctors come and see you, they'll be able to update you with uh what's going on. Yeah. Because for us, I'm not I don't diagnose, I don't I only care for people in in terms of their treatment plans and blah blah blah, as a result of what the doctors have ordered or what the doctors have um written up that is their best care plan. So for us, we just can't be like, oh yeah, this is you know, you've got stage five endo. Yeah, it's gone through all of your organs. Like, you know, that is a really, really sensitive conversation that should happen always between the patient and the doctor. So we have to sort of I wouldn't say it's white line, but I just say yeah, maybe redirect. You can refer them on.

SPEAKER_01 7:50

Yeah, this is a convers conversation between you and your doctor. Which I like because it kind of means that you don't have to have any of the super hard convers Well you'd have hard conversations, but you don't have to have any of these.

SPEAKER_04 8:02

Well we do have hard conversations, absolutely, but you know, like if things happen as a result of something that is directly related to the patient's health outcome or the patient's um continuing care and that's dictated by the doctors, that is not our place to say anything. That'll that'll definitely, yeah, go out and say something. We just have to be there to support be the support.

SPEAKER_01 8:31

The support system. Yeah, the foundation. We love our nearest.

SPEAKER_04 8:35

Do you know what? We've had three different conversations in the space, I think, of like five minutes. Because we're excited. We're back. We're back. We're back, the sun is shining. Okay, did you think we were gone because we weren't. You're you're strongly mistaken. We are back, baby. Back pictures.

SPEAKER_01 8:54

I'll go first this week. Okay. Because I'm um swing on. I really, really want to say it. And there's actually, I have actually I'm diagnosing myself now, probably with some ADHD maybe symptoms. Okay. Because the obsession I get with like TV shows or like fictional things is like to a degree where someone would feel like it's close to like an actual addiction.

SPEAKER_04 9:21

No, I think this is a phenomenon. Please do.

SPEAKER_01 9:25

Please do, because I am like diagnosing myself with like obsessive compos no, that's wrong. Obsessive something, something. Because I become so obsessed with these worlds.

SPEAKER_04 9:34

Yes, well, it it is actually a phenomenon. We're gonna have to search it up and do our own research again. But I watched a documentary recently about people who are such big fans of like stars, movie show movies, TV shows, and the reality of their life becomes warped, and they almost feel like they are a part of that.

SPEAKER_01 10:00

100%. I know them. I know that. Yeah, and I'm like, I don't want to know.

SPEAKER_04 10:04

You feel emotion for them, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:06

Yeah, it's amazing. And when the TV show ends, I feel like I'm going through You're a STEM. I feel like I'm going through a heartbreak. Like, it's like I can't concentrate. I'll be at work and I actually cannot concentrate on what I need to be doing. I'm like, Morgan, you're in the real world. Please stop fantasizing about a college hockey romance for fuck's sake that you've re-watched three times.

SPEAKER_04 10:26

Three times already. Morgan.

SPEAKER_01 10:29

Also, I'm talking about off campus. If you, if you guys don't know, if you haven't watched it, go watch it, please. It's fucking amazing. And I just really liked it. I don't know why. My sister always tells me like to read these books before they come out. And I'm like, I'm not gonna like a fucking hockey college romance, Charlotte. I'm not reading that book every time I say that to her. Like, that's silly. I'm not reading that. What's a hockey romance? Absolutely not. First, she got me with heated rivalry. We all know how obsessed I was with heated rivalry. Yeah. Finally moved on from that. Obviously, I still love it, but it's not over.

SPEAKER_04 11:02

You only moved on from it because you're waiting for the next season to come.

SPEAKER_01 11:05

100%.

SPEAKER_04 11:06

And then and then it will re-blosom and reignite all the time. And we'll be back. We'll be back.

SPEAKER_02 11:11

We'll be like, we'll be happy this comes in again.

SPEAKER_01 11:13

Yeah. Um but then I watched this series, and I just from the first episode, I don't know. I don't know. It was just so captivating. I think that it's done so well. Is it unique? No.

SPEAKER_02 11:32

Is it something you've never seen before?

SPEAKER_01 11:34

No. But I just love it. And yeah, I've rewatched it three times. What sort of genre is it? Oh, it's romance. Is it romance or is it there's It's definitely romance. It's definitely romance. Like it's definitely it it follows these two couple, which is just such a like stereotype. It's like a jock and a like she's not a nerd, but like a bit more of like a nerdy girl. Um but then it also follows like different love stories within the friendship groups, and then like there's this one guy that's like a big party boy, and then this other girl that she's free spirit, and they also come together at their and she's just so sexy and hot, and they're all sexy and hot, obviously. Like it's an American TV show, like obviously. And are they in college? They're in college, and again, they're hockey players, so like what I was saying to you before, they wear like all this big like padding to play hockey, and they just look so big and bulky and huge, and I'm like, I think I need to go to America to watch a hockey game. Really? Yes, yes, I'm not joking. It's overtake I I have followed on Instagram all things hockey. Really?

SPEAKER_04 12:48

Yes, it's overtaken my life. Oh my god, wow, you are really a stan. I'm a stan. I don't know what a stan means, but that is me. Like like an unwavering, like obsessed supporter.

SPEAKER_01 13:02

Yeah, but the thing is it only lasts for like three weeks, so it's like this intense obsession for like three weeks.

SPEAKER_04 13:08

Okay, I'm over this, yeah. Or do you find something else to obsess over?

SPEAKER_01 13:12

No, I get over it, and then something else will pop up a few months later. But like, yeah, the obsession only lasts for like three weeks and it's intense. Like it's literally all I think about. Like it consumes your mind 100% to the point where like if I know one friend that's watched it, in this case it's Maddie, I Are you texting her? All the time, sending her reels. She's the only person I want to talk to because she's seen it. Everyone else can get fucked.

SPEAKER_04 13:39

Speaking of her, I ran into her yesterday at Coles. Yeah. So random. Hey girl. And um, and then when I was leaving the shops, I ran into her at the stop sign. She was in her car and I was in my car. And I was just like, This is so funny. Like, what are the odds? What are the odds? Then I see you in Kohl's, and then we go at the same time. But anyways, it was just that's a little sucking segment.

SPEAKER_01 14:08

I love her and she binged it all in one day, so she's there with me.

SPEAKER_04 14:13

Uh-huh. Well, my my numb also has been binging it, and she says she is obsessed.

SPEAKER_01 14:20

It's very bingeable. Like you can watch the whole series in one sitting, dare I say. But yeah, I've watched it three times. Because the episodes are like 45 minutes, hey. I think so, yeah. Yeah. Actually, no. I know that's I know it's not very insightful or very cool, but it's like again, it's all I could talk about. Anything else would be a Y. Yeah. That's all I want to talk about today. So if we want to do the whole podcast episode on off campus, hit me with it.

unknown 14:45

I'm kidding.

SPEAKER_04 14:46

We actually don't have any structure for today. Not that we have structure for any of our episodes, but we sort of do have like topics of conversation that we want to talk about. But I think because we haven't been on for a few weeks, we just want to chat with you guys. Cha, chat, chat. Catch up on life. We've got so much stuff that's gone on over the last few weeks, so many exciting things that have happened, you know, new jobs, new adventures. Um, and sort of just updating you with what's happening in our life and what we're doing moving forward because I think we've had a few people go, what's happening with vodka? I love that we say a few people, but it's actually like only one or two.

SPEAKER_02 15:27

It is a few people.

SPEAKER_01 15:28

Is it?

SPEAKER_04 15:29

A couple. Okay.

unknown 15:31

A couple.

SPEAKER_01 15:32

Yeah. A couple is yeah. A couple's two. A few is three, is it? Or is it the other way around?

SPEAKER_04 15:37

Oh yeah, I've got no idea. I don't read into that stuff that much. Yeah, but it's we learned it in high school. A couple is like two. A pair. So yeah, two. And then a few years. A couple of people. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:50

Anyway, give me a mood swing.

SPEAKER_04 15:51

My mood swing. Um, well, obviously, we we did our first her seasons event a few weeks ago. And I am preparing the next one. And I don't know, it was really, really nerve-wracking because obviously this next one is a paid event, and the reason why it is a paid event is because obviously the things that we want to provide in the event is to essentially be able to give like the best stuff for people who come through. And so, anyways, I was like really scared that no one was gonna buy tickets, but people who bought tickets, and I think I just have to trust the process.

SPEAKER_01 16:33

I think that's the scary thing about things like this is like there's so much unknown, but like I think whenever I get worried, you like can either either look at things with fear or look at things with love, and as soon as you look at them with love, all of fear like dissipates. Yeah, and then when you trust the process, like my friend from uni, she literally messaged me, she was like, Oh my god, I bought my ticket now. And I was like, Yeah, Chloe!

SPEAKER_04 16:57

I know, I know, and bless your soul. You honestly, she's been a ride or die fast for literally. She will listen to the podcast and I'm so obsessed with that.

SPEAKER_01 17:08

She's gorgeous, she's so gorgeous, and she did a like an impromptu speech at the her seasons event, and she she's someone that's very shy speech.

SPEAKER_04 17:18

To put someone on a spot like that, like you know, and then for her to follow through, that was just amazing, and I think it goes to sh like goes to say that this space is uh obviously a space that we want women to feel really like open and able to connect with other people that they don't even know. Like, Chloe didn't even know really anyone there, yeah, and she got up and spoke in front of like 30 women, and I was just like for you to do that out of the kindness of your own heart, like you didn't have to. She could have just said, Oh no, I'm not gonna do this, but she did it, but it's a great job, and it was just so good, and I think that's what I want is this space to have some sort of like you know, let's break down the barriers and the walls and just be able to have like those strong, meaningful conversations, like the conversation she was talking about, she was a she's a naturopath, she is very passionate about thyroid function and thyroid health, and so talked about her personal journey, and it was really actually great to see because a lot of people you don't realise, but have lots of thyroid dysfunction. And so I think a few people in the crowd that was there actually could relate to that because have got things going on with their own personal journey with their thyroid and hormones and all of those things, and um yeah, it was just what a gem. What a gem. What a gem.

SPEAKER_01 18:52

Yeah, I love her, she's gorgeous.

SPEAKER_04 18:53

But yeah, it's really exciting. I'm so excited. There's so many things happening, and I think it's just gonna take time, like it's all about the growth period, like each event is gonna be different each time. There will be a little bit of a tweak here and there, and things will get better, and you know, we'll learn what works and what doesn't work. But I think that's the whole part of this journey that's like so exciting is that I get to have people come alongside me and like do that. And there's something about being a part of these sort of things for women, like even myself, like not just this event hollering, but being a part of something that's growing and evolving that like is just so special.

SPEAKER_01 19:34

You feel really honoured. I don't know. No, 100%, and that's where you like shine to be honest, like seeing how you connect people and like how you talked to everyone and made everyone feel like so warm and welcome, like it really is like your happy place. You can see that.

SPEAKER_04 19:50

So oh my god, it is my happy place. I love I think I've grown up in a world like my nana has been very, very, very um involved in like the community like throughout her whole life, you know. Like from I was literally two years old and we were doing Woodford Folk Festival every year, doing like Polynesian dancing, and uh so we were all I it's literally in my blood. Like I've always been around doing functions and community events and bringing people together, and I don't know. I think when I was younger I loved that and I actually studied events, and then you know, you get into your 18, 20, yeah, early 20s, and life changes for you a little bit because you're experiencing a whole different world to what you were when you were going through school. You're like, I've got a bit of freedom, and you experience yeah, you experience nightclubs and drinking, and I think I just sort of lost my way of like what I really wanted to do in the event space. And so I was like, I've I really need like a moment to figure out actually what I wanted to do, and I wanted to do something that was like fulfilling for me that felt like you know, like heart led, and I think that's why I gravitated towards nursing is because I do love caring for people and bringing them together and like making them feel seen and loved and valued, and now that I'm in this season of my life, and being like, oh my god, I miss the old version of me, like the the bits of me that I loved, like socializing and going out and partying, but I can still do that in a different way, yeah. So it's like I'm merging a bit of the old me versus the new me and making this sort of like beautiful collided world that I hope other women can see value in and want to be a part of.

SPEAKER_01 21:52

Or they do already, like just from that first event. Yeah. Like you know, girlfriends of ours that have. Their side hustle and it kind of went into a little break period, and then we've seen after the event that everyone was so inspired by the way you spoke, and all of a sudden those side hustles have like come back up, and they're like you know, they're pouring their soul back into them, and that's I think it's also about creativity.

SPEAKER_04 22:16

Yeah, like for me, I mean, like, I'm I'm gonna be completely transparent. I don't this this world that I'm creating, like Love Lani and her seasons, like they're amazing, but they don't make me money. Yeah, they don't make me money. In fact, they actually cost me money. Yeah, but in saying that it's something I I'm so passionate and love doing, and it create it brings out that creative side of me that I've always had, but I sort of I sort of put that aside when I was growing as I was growing up, and then now having my son, it's sort of like reignited that drive of like wanting to be creative again, and I see so much of that in in mums.

SPEAKER_05 23:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:01

Like I literally see as soon as they've got like had a kid, they have this it's like this unwavering urge to like open up a version of themselves that they've always had, but they never had the ability to push themselves to the point of like okay, let's just do it.

SPEAKER_01 23:20

Yeah, you know, like they've been cracked open through motherhood and then all of a sudden all these creative juices are just coming back to the surface.

SPEAKER_04 23:27

Yeah, and I think honestly, thank I thank maternity leave because maternity leave gives you forced time where you don't have to work and but you are looking after a baby.

SPEAKER_02 23:42

Like that's not it's not like you're Okay, I'm just gonna go shopping today and then I'm gonna go to the cafe tomorrow.

SPEAKER_04 23:48

But you know, you have a little bit more opportunity to dabble in those creative juices and and let that flow more so than you would if you were still doing your full-time job. So I think you know, you have this sort of pivotal moment where you're like, Okay, I feel like I've lost myself. Who am I? What am I doing? Like, am I just a mum now or am I working or like what is there that can still feed me like purpose and joy but be like a separate thing from being a mother and be a separate thing from being like the person I was in the workforce prior to having my children, and so I think that's why a lot of women do end up doing like side things when they are on maternity leave or shortly after that, like you know, starting their paintings and stuff. Like I follow like one of the one of the girls I know through my husband, she has two little girls. She's started painting, she's always had that creative flow in her, but I don't know, like something obviously for her has ign ignited that, and I think it's uh it's being able to like sit and have kids and wanting to just you know have that creative ability to just do something that serves a little bit more than just looking after the kids at home, like you're like okay, I can do this stuff, and honestly, her stuff is fucking.

SPEAKER_01 25:25

I know you're talking about, oh my god. I when I came across her page, because she went to home, and then Yeah, so like when I saw her pop up, I was like, oh my fucking god, and it almost like I'm almost like oh my god, how is this not in the world already? But like as you were saying, like when you become a mum, it's just like something else. Like obviously, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 25:46

It triggers I think something for you. Like you always want like I've always wanted to do stuff, like I've always wanted to start my own business or do my own thing, but before I had Lani, like I was like, Oh yeah, I want to do that, and I just never did.

SPEAKER_01 26:00

Because you occup I think you occupy your time with other things like going out, saying social not that you're more social when you don't have children, but like it really is like if you think about your top priorities, because you only have to look after yourself, let's be honest. Yeah, being social with your friends is pretty far up the top of like how you spend your spare time. It isn't really hobbies for a lot of people, it's like I've got a spare morning, who am who am I gonna get coffee with? I've got a spare night who I'm gonna go out with. Like it's not it isn't until like you become a mum for a lot of people, as you're saying that that's kind of re-evaluated a little bit. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 26:40

I literally didn't have any hobbies before I had Lani. The only thing I did was go out and socialize with people. So interesting.

SPEAKER_01 26:50

I've never thought about it in that way.

SPEAKER_04 26:53

Now my hobby is like creating things and doing this podcast and things that I've always wanted to do, but I just never did them, and I don't know why now it's like flourished, but it has. And I don't know if it's just because I'm like, well, you only get one life.

SPEAKER_01 27:15

Yeah, exactly. I've I've ticked that box. Now I'm a mum.

SPEAKER_06 27:19

Now what else can I create?

SPEAKER_01 27:22

And like you said, it's such a and I've observed it as well, like all of the small businesses that I follow, nearly every single one of them is a mum, and most of them, like you're saying, their businesses have flourished. Maybe they were teetering beforehand, but they've really flourished after pregnancy, after birth, and I'm like, I have no answers, but I have observed this very common trend among women. Yeah, very interesting.

SPEAKER_04 27:49

And I love it, and I'm all for it, and I'm I'm very much a supporter of that. And I if I can even make one person be ignited in that space to to go after something that they've always wanted to do, to do something that they've always wanted to do, but they've always been a bit hesitant, even if it's not starting a business, even if it's you know gardening, gardening or growing your own veggies, yeah, walking, or making your own little terrariums. Like, I don't know. Yeah, but like do it.

SPEAKER_01 28:19

I think you've already I think you can tick that box because you have definitely succeeded in inspiring a lot of people to maybe I should be an inspiration speaker. Go for gold swing are you good at it?

SPEAKER_02 28:32

I just snotted when I did that. Oh my god, I love that. I just snotted all over you.

SPEAKER_04 28:36

I didn't get I didn't get in a bit of a snot at all. But that's love.

SPEAKER_02 28:39

That's love. That's love. If you don't snot on your friends, you don't love them.

SPEAKER_04 28:42

Oh honestly. Anyways, enough of that. That that is my mood swing.

SPEAKER_01 28:47

We've just gone a little bit of a tedge. No, no, that you can tell like when you speak about it, it's coming from such heart and soul, like it's not there's no surface level to that, like it's such a deep calling, and I'm glad that that your life has gotten you back to this path because even though you said yeah, like in your 18 and 20s, like maybe you know, you just socialized or went out, but you needed that period.

SPEAKER_04 29:12

I oh I definitely think I did, and and not to say that I'm not ever gonna get back to that spot. I mean, I'm I'm still very social. You're a party girl at heart. Party girl at heart, it's in my bones.

SPEAKER_01 29:23

But that like you said, like I think your whole path has led you to holding these spaces or these events because yeah, if you weren't so social, I think it's more about the balance, yeah, honouring the wholesomeness, but also having a little bit of like spiciness.

SPEAKER_04 29:39

Yeah, the G4 for the weekend. Yeah, you would I love it. So good.

SPEAKER_01 29:46

Can you say? So we had um one of our best friends 30th on the weekend, and we all went on a boat, which was so much fun.

SPEAKER_04 29:54

Oh my god, I've never felt more rich in my life. Oh right.

SPEAKER_01 29:57

I was like just cruising on the Brisbane River in a really fancy boat. A yacht. A yacht. See, that's the problem. I was already so drunk I didn't realise it was a yacht.

SPEAKER_03 30:06

It was a yacht. Oh wow, so but she. Oh my god, love that. But I we wouldn't expect anything less from the Buggy Queen. Yeah, of course. She knows who she is. Yeah, don't be dust.

SPEAKER_01 30:16

Our beautiful little tour tourists. Um, but we were just talking about it, and I was saying, like, you know, even when you have a few drinks in you, the the night, doesn't matter how drunk you are, like, it could be tipsy or plastered, the night just slips away from you. So like I felt like I was out for two hours. I was out until 3 a.m. From either from 2 till 3am. That's that's not three hours, honey bun. And I just want to know what your observation. Obviously, you're on this closed, like this confined space with so many people that were drinking. People watching. What was the vibe?

SPEAKER_04 30:51

Oh my god, I've actually people watching is one of my favourite things to do. I've always people watched. I when when we would go down to the coast, because we used to have a family apartment in Broad Beach, and my dad would be like, Oh, I'll buy you an ice cream if we go and go like all the people are doing that.

SPEAKER_06 31:10

And I was like, Yeah, let's go.

SPEAKER_04 31:13

I was like, oh no, I'm gonna drunk people. Anyways, when we were on the boat, it's actually put so funny because a lot of people, you know, as you know, start off, you know, a little bit awkward, a little bit shy, a little bit like hey, and then as the drinks start flowing and the night progresses, you just start to see a little bit more like loosey-goosey, everyone's just way more down for a chat, you know, they've had a bit of liquid courage, they're ready to go, start dancing, like it it's actually really, really nice to see wholesome vibes, wholesome vibes. Yeah, I love and I'm a someone who really feeds off of energy, and I think that's why when I'm in these events, like social events, and we go to these things and I'm sober, it doesn't really matter because I feel like I end up getting like a bit placebo and I'm like, I feel like I feel better on PC. And I just yeah, I literally felt hungover on Sunday, but I think that's just pregnancy to a T. You always feel hungover. Like yeah, it's it's interesting to see how the conversations change. I think that's the biggest one for me, is because conversations go from being really like surface level, and I think this is obviously why a lot of people do drink, because for them it's a it it breaks down those barriers. But I like being able to have those broken barriers and the walls come down and have the conversations when you're sober because I think you just are able to build the stronger connections, but I understand And you're also gonna remember it. Yes, I understand why people do drink to be able to like have a bit of a you know deeper conversation and a little bit more of a loose time. Um, but one of my girlfriends, I'm not gonna name her name, but started off really like oh yeah, like just you know, general chat, and then by the end of it, she's like calling me a sign and she's like, Oh my god, I love you so much, and I just I I've always been like really nervous that I'm just gonna lose you as a friend, and I'm like, no girl, you're not gonna lose me. It's just like you just are such an an enigma and I'm like, oh my god, okay. So and I'm like, wow, so she's like, I've been holding on to being like to saying this to you for so long because I've just been like so anxious that you know me not reaching out as much or whatever is is like gonna affect our friendship. I'm like, girl, no. In fact, if anything, I get it.

SPEAKER_01 34:06

Yeah, I was gonna lie, I'm fucking busy.

SPEAKER_04 34:08

Sometimes I don't talk to anyone for weeks, or I talk to literally only like one or two people. But I have so many uh people in my life that I actually fucking love and like value so much that I don't want to lose them. But you know, it's just like life is busy and I get it, and so I was saying to her, I'm like, life is so busy, like I'm pregnant, you're not. Yeah, you're about to go away on a on an amazing like holiday and journey, like girl, I get it, yeah. And I think that's what we need to like honor a bit more is that everyone's life has so much going on in the background, you just don't really know. So I'm never gonna be someone who is like, oh my god, they didn't reach out to me.

SPEAKER_01 34:58

Never. Oh my god. My mum actually gave me the best advice for this, and she was like, friendships flow in and out, and she's like, I have friends now, like all of her friends she's had for a really young age, from a really young age, but she's like, There were like literally a decade where like I would hardly hear from them. Yeah, and then the decade after, all of a sudden, our lives like the timelines cross back over, and I'd be seeing them every week, and then all of a sudden again our lives would fall not fall to the wayside, but like we wouldn't see each other as much.

SPEAKER_04 35:30

And she's like like life comes in seasons, like don't 100% you don't need to suffocate friendships for them to in and out, in and out, yeah, and and do you know what that's actually so funny you say that because some of the friends that I had from high school I've actually been speaking to recently because you know we're going through similar stages in our life, or you know, like one of my beautiful friends that I used to be really close with in high school, and then we sort of went our separate ways, and then we've come we've been in touch again recently. Um, supported me and bought some products from Lovelani, and I was just like, Oh my god, thank you so much. And I reached out to her and I was like, Thank you so much for doing that. She's like, I want I always want to support small and she's just had um one of her little girls only a few months ago, and she's going through it, she gets it, she gets the second child, she gets like a la I'm just like oh my god, it's so so funny that you can go so long from talking to someone and then like all of a sudden you even if it's just through messenger or text and you don't actually see them face to face, it just feels like so nice to know that you've still got that.

SPEAKER_01 36:42

And like now, like maybe for the last five years, you guys didn't have a lot of connection points, but have you caught up now because you're broke about time to rebubble?

SPEAKER_04 36:50

I actually want to see her, but I'm like realistically, I know that that's not gonna happen right now. Maybe when I'm on maternity leave, but you know, we always I'm I'm such an I I always say, Oh yeah, yeah, I'll I'll be there, I'll do that. Yeah, like I was meant to go see the girls today. Yeah, my um, my mummy girls, and they're all like messaging in the chat, being like, Oh, what time are you guys gonna come over? And I'm like, look, to be honest, I don't know if I'm gonna make it. We're doing this this morning, and then I've got some other stuff I want to do while Lani is still in daycare. I also I'm working night shift tonight. Oh you yeah, that bloody night shift. I know. Working night shift tonight, so I want I need to try and get some sleep. And I was like, yeah, but like I still want to come and see you girls, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 37:41

I'm definitely not fitting that in.

SPEAKER_04 37:43

I'm like the intentions there, like I love you girls, yeah. I'm loving you from over here on the day. But they don't ever take they know that like I'm busy, they know what it's like looking after children. So it's just I think there's a different respect and love and understanding when it comes to that stuff. But funny, and I really want to talk about this because we're on this topic. Yeah, go. My sister is 16 years old, very different generation to like our gen. Even though we're actually, well, we are the same generation I've discovered. Me and you. No, no, no, me and Helena. Yeah, yeah. But on different ends of this year, so she is more like a proper Gen Z.

SPEAKER_01 38:31

I'm like a I think we're like, I think we're like a mutant millennial Gen Z. We spoke about this, like I definitely think we're a merge of both, which is Yeah, 100%. We are merge of both. Makes us the best, dare I say the best.

SPEAKER_04 38:47

But it was so funny, she has uh said these comments recently, like about like her friends have she's like, oh my god, they've left my own red. Or like, oh I didn't reply back to my friends, so she's upset now.

SPEAKER_01 38:59

I'm like, Oh my god, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_04 39:01

Yeah, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_01 39:02

And also when you're 16, don't you see them at school every day?

SPEAKER_04 39:05

Yeah, I said Helena, why are they getting mad at you? And she's like, Oh, I don't know, because like they seem that I've seen their message. I'm like, but girl, it's lies, yeah. But I guess like when you're going through adolescence, it's such a different world.

SPEAKER_01 39:23

And puberty, holy shit.

SPEAKER_04 39:24

My mum calls it the narcissistic.

SPEAKER_01 39:26

It's hard. And does she go to an all-girls school or is she going to?

SPEAKER_04 39:29

No, she goes to a co-ed.

SPEAKER_01 39:30

Oh, okay. Oh my god. We would we both went to all girls schools, didn't we?

SPEAKER_04 39:34

I went to a co-ed and an all-girls.

SPEAKER_01 39:36

Yeah. Like, did you go to all girls for high school?

SPEAKER_04 39:39

Uh I started in co-ed for high school and then converted to an all-girls. Yeah. But that was my choice.

SPEAKER_01 39:46

Well interesting, because I wanted to, I would cry to my mum and dad, like in grade 10 and grade nine, like, if you don't send me to another school, I'm going to be so depressed for the rest of my schooling years. Yeah. And I was. But they refused to switch me over.

SPEAKER_04 40:04

So I was a very naughty girl. And is that why they sent you to No, I said to my parents, I literally said to them, look, I need to move schools, otherwise I'm just gonna. I had really good insight back then. I was gonna say that was so mature of you to know that if you're I'm gonna lose myself if we don't move me. And so, and I was like, but I don't want to go to another co ed. I think because I was just like I was b I was partying a lot, I just yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 40:39

You're a crazy girl.

SPEAKER_04 40:40

I was a crazy girl. Like my grades were shit, like I was just not doing well. And so I convinced my parents to change my school and send me to an old girl school, and I think that was the best thing for me because I had like a like almost like a 180 turnaround.

SPEAKER_01 40:59

100. I always say that if I went to like I do think schools are dependent on the person, but for me personally, I was the same. And I think that if I went to a co-ed school, one, I was fucking boy obsessed at that age, so that just would have ruined everything.

SPEAKER_04 41:14

Also me. Yeah, I was just boy obsessed. I had boyfriends when I was like 14. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. I would have just not like I look at that now and I'm like, oh my god, so cringy. But I mean we all we all have those moments. I also had like a like a quiff hairdo, you know, with like the quiff. So it's like it looks like this. Oh the the little poof. Yes, and you put the cliff and you put it up.

SPEAKER_02 41:41

When you went to an all-girls call, did you jump to wear the hat all the time?

SPEAKER_04 41:43

Oh my god, I I changed my hairstyle when I went to an all-girls score.

SPEAKER_01 41:46

Well, I because I had curly hair still back then, I used to have to wear like this tight button on the top of my head. It was the only way I could start.

SPEAKER_04 41:52

People would call me Paniple Head because I had a big buttons.

SPEAKER_02 41:55

Yeah, and then you'd have your hat like kind of hanging off of the button. Which is so niche. But if you went to an all-girls go, you would understand.

SPEAKER_04 42:02

But yeah, it was that what a wild time. What a wild time.

SPEAKER_01 42:06

But yeah, I think the Gen Z. I used to work for this girl's Gen Z, and fuck she was funny. Like she was definitely the um personality higher. Um funny girl, but shit, she was like the things that would pop out of her mouth. I'm like, stop.

SPEAKER_02 42:22

Don't say that. But it's like, it was just like it was literally like I was talking to someone out of a movie. Like they're so it's like they have a script for everything.

SPEAKER_01 42:31

Oh a script response for everything that they do. And I'm like, where where's this secret language coming from that I don't understand?

SPEAKER_04 42:37

Yeah, like why are you being so cryptic?

SPEAKER_01 42:39

Yeah, and you're also making me feel really fucking old. Like I'm only 29. Can you let me breathe?

unknown 42:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:45

Like she looks at me like I'm a dinosaur, and I'm like, I'm actually not that old. Just MYR.

SPEAKER_04 42:53

Yeah, but so wild. Conversations are weird with with teenagers.

SPEAKER_01 42:58

I do love their um I learned a lot from the girl that I worked with that was like, yeah, typical Gen Z. Her work life balance, impeccable. Her fashion sense, impeccable. Like she was just so confident and like almost too confident, but like everything that she said was just with such confidence and like there wasn't any self-doubt in her brain. Oh, that's good. Amazing. And I like learned so much from her because like I was the opposite, like probably still am, like, would say everything, and then anyone would give me a seat of doubt, and I'm like, oh, I don't know, maybe I should like go and double check that. Yeah. And she taught me to be like really confident. She also taught me to not check my team's messages when I'm not at work. She was like, no, when you're not at work, like you're not getting paid for this. Yeah. And I was like, I think our generation was always kind of taught that it's like a good work ethic to, you know, be early, stay late, check your messages when you're not at work. Like that was almost part of the job. Yeah. And she was like, No, you're at home, enjoy your life. Laugh, don't check your messages. And I was like, my god, you're so right. Notifications muted. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 44:05

I d I definitely see the value in being able to leave like work things at work and honouring your personal time. But also, it is so hard, especially if you're someone like yourself who is very much you work for a business, but you are your own business. Oh, yeah. Does that make sense? Oh, my own business. So you never switches off. Switch off. It's like people who go, Oh, I want to like quit my nine to five so I can get more freedom, and then you end up working 24-7 because you just you can't switch off. You you're excited and you it's like your passion and it's like your baby. So you just want to like continually feed it and and water it and give it the attention it needs, but you also need to know like you need to know what is okay for you, like what is is the balance. Some people work really well in that space of being able to manage their life and personal life, but having them sort of merge together. Other people not so much. Other people really need to segment them because it gets too consuming. For me, like I love like because I think my workforce, obviously being a nurse, is very, very laborist comparatively to you your job.

SPEAKER_01 45:29

Very much so.

SPEAKER_04 45:30

Whereas I can't be on a computer and like tap tap tap away. And I can do that and research about surgeries and things like that, but you a lot of the work is practical, so I have to be at work. So that the thing that I bring home is the mental load that I'm carrying and the emotional load that I'm carrying from the day. Whereas for you, you bring home a laptop which services your telehealth appointments, which services your communication with your clients. So it's just so easy for you to have that there and switch it on. Whereas for me, all I need to do is try and decompartmentalize or declutter my mind from the day that I've had with doing things that can help me reset myself, but I don't have anything that sort of is prompting me to look at my work-related stuff.

SPEAKER_01 46:35

And I think you're the same as me in this regard. Like, I can't relax until, say, my inbox is empty. Like I can't enjoy my evening TV show off campus until that inbox is empty. So if I've got 20 emails, you bet that I'm like flicking through 20 emails? Well, I'll I'll reply to them. See, oh yeah, I can't. That's something about my personality. If I've got something to do, it's like if I I'm always like, if I have to clean the house and then, you know, all of that kind of stuff, I'll have to do all of that before I can relax.

SPEAKER_04 47:10

Yeah, no, we are the same when it comes to that.

SPEAKER_01 47:13

Which I think most of the time is a positive thing if you learn the boundaries, which I think I'm actually, dare I say. Are you learning the boundaries? Dare I say, these last few months, my stress has been reducing, and I think I am learning really good boundaries. Like, because I think I just keep coming back to the fact that like we're actually here for a very short time. Have fun. Like, yeah, don't because I wrote in my journal the other day, I said, How much of your life do you think you've spent anxious? And I shit you not. I reckon the percent was close to 80%.

SPEAKER_00 47:53

Really? So obviously like 80% of your whole life. So I was like, when I wrote it down, I'm gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_04 48:00

I wonder how many people, how many other people feel that way too?

SPEAKER_01 48:04

Yeah. And I think I don't know, I was talking to my dad about it because I think me and my dad are like our nervous system is so similar because I was talking to my mom about it and she was like, I've just never felt anxiety. And I was like, Can you read the room? Look at the writing on the wall.

SPEAKER_06 48:21

That is fantastic for you.

SPEAKER_01 48:24

Um, and then I was speaking to my dad about it, and at the moment he's building a house on his block of land, and he's been a carpenter his whole life, loves it. He's like us, like his trade is his life, like it's it's his creative passion, it's not just his job. Yeah. And he said, Morgan, when I'm building this house, there are still days that I go up and I get the screwdriver onto the wall and I'm still shaking. And I think that like puts something in my brain, and I was like, as much as I love my dad, I was like, I don't want to be like that. Like, I don't want to be 65 years old doing my crop.

SPEAKER_04 48:57

Still navigating anxiety.

SPEAKER_01 48:59

Still navigating anxiety. Like, I think it's really important that I learn these boundaries as a 29-year-old.

SPEAKER_04 49:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:05

And we're so lucky now that we live in a generation where this is spoken about.

SPEAKER_04 49:09

So lucky. Like, I think, you know, back then the discussion of anxiety, depression, obsessive compulsive disorder, all of these sort of things that can really impact our lives weren't discussed the way they are now. And I mean, we still have a long way to go in that space. I still think um some people aren't as open to having those discussions or as understanding about why people may need space or need to to utilize further resources for these things, but we are in an in a way different world to you know our parents and their parents.

SPEAKER_01 49:55

So lucky. Even the language we have to things now, like my dad was saying, he's got dyslexia, so he was never able to read things, but he was like the things I would have done with my life, like it seems so simple to us, but for him it's revolutionary if I had YouTube my whole life, because like he'll watch you know all of these philosophical videos, he's really into stoicism, or like Alan Watts and like these really like you know, deep thinking people, and he's like, if I had this my whole life, like I think it would have changed my life, but yeah, he wasn't able to read it, so like he kind of just had to live his whole life not understanding his own feelings, and because obviously he was a tradeie, yeah, a tradey 30-40 years ago, they're not fucking talking about anxiety. Fuck no, no, not at all, like like not at all. So, yeah, I think yeah, that's all I have to say there with the boundaries topic is I think I'm getting very good at that now.

SPEAKER_04 51:00

Which feels I think there's always always work in that space. Yeah, and I think you'll get boundaries and you'll get really good at keeping those boundaries, and then the boundaries will sort of slip away, and you've got to re re um align your journey. Like, I think it doesn't matter, like boundaries, expectations of life, like communication methods, all of these things are things that we can do really well and then fall back off, and then we sort of have to bring it back in and do like readjust how we approach those things because it's like weight loss, for example. We everyone is on a continual journey with these things, we don't just stay in the same spot all the time. If we did, well, we'd all be fucking stagnant as shit. I was gonna say life would be really poor, really. It's like I I I feel like I keep bringing it back to um oh my god, I'm having a mentibe blank with um what did the NEP Hemiostasis always bringing it back to hemeostasis. You've got a line in the middle with everything, you've got a line in the middle, right? And you go up, beautiful, you do really well, you come back down, you've got to work on getting back into that. It's always trying to get that like equilibrium and that center point. So you always everything in your life, all aspects of life are like always trying to meet that middle approach. Yeah, so if something feels really, really hard, what we do is we try to work towards getting it back to that center point of being like not so hard and good, and then when it gets really, really good, it's it comes down.

SPEAKER_01 52:49

So I think if you can look at life with that approach, that we are always in this state of like flow, you got this baby, and nothing's permanent, like in that the good, the bad, the messy, like you know, all of those feelings, like they're always temporary, like you're always yeah, flowing, like you said. Yeah, which is nice, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 53:12

We have talked so much in this episode, which is so fun, so fine.

SPEAKER_01 53:18

Um, but we wrap this one up and we'll do another one. Yeah, that um was a lovely, lovely discussion. I enjoyed that. We had no flow, but I liked the way that the conversations went. Always, always, and it feels nice to be recording again. Um, and we're very excited to announce because I had some feedback on the weekend that I had a devastated listener that we were only doing fortnightly episodes. I would like to confirm that we are back to Friday weekly episodes.

SPEAKER_04 53:49

Every Friday, we're gonna be sitting here until we can afford our own space and some cool mics. Like, we need a GoFundMe or something.

SPEAKER_02 54:03

All right, love you guys. Bye.